Melodie Campbell on the mystery novel

Gail Anderson-Dargatz

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Welcome everyone! And welcome Melodie! Thanks so much for being our guest here today.

As you’ll see from her website, Melodie is not only an award-winning mystery writer, but a very funny lady. She was just crowned Canada’s Queen of Comedy by the Toronto Sun this year. For a taste of that, please see her current guest blog on my site.

Everyone, jump right in and ask your questions or post your comments. I’ll post a few right off the top to get the ball rolling.
 
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I'm a huge fan of Alice Munro's stories. Everyone tells me they think they're boring, but I find she always horrifies me in some way--her types of "mysteries" are always close to home, which is probably why they feel so profound. I'm thinking of the story where her daughter "divorces" the protagonist, who searches for reasons why.
 
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Melodie, first off, how did you come to write and, more specifically, write mysteries?
Good morning, Gail! I got my start as a comedy writer (standup and had a newspaper column), and I actually won my first award (1989 - Canadian Living Magazine) for a romance story! I think that was the last pure romance I ever wrote ;)
I love mystery and suspense. I was an Agatha Christie junky from the age of 11. So when I started to write more serious fiction (okay, you can laugh - like I EVER write serious fiction) I started to write what I know best: the mystery or suspense. Write what you read. (a version of 'Write what you know.') Also, I am a plot junky. Lots more on that later.
 
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I'm a huge fan of Alice Munro's stories. Everyone tells me they think they're boring, but I find she always horrifies me in some way--her types of "mysteries" are always close to home, which is probably why they feel so profound. I'm thinking of the story where her daughter "divorces" the protagonist, who searches for reasons why.
Maia, I teach Alice Monro in my Crafting a Novel course at Sheridan College. I particularly use her The Progress of Love to illustrate how the literary story still keeps to the basic requirements of fiction: A protagonist with a problem or goal, that is resolved at the end. The protagonist is searching for the meaning of love. Monro knocked it out of the park, with that ending, that says so much.
 

Gail Anderson-Dargatz

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Why I love yah! So many of the writers I work with are literary writers and we all struggle to find our own unique structures.
The mystery structure is one I often send my writers to, even if their project isn’t really a mystery, as the structure gives a nice template from which to draw inspiration for their own. Melodie, can you outline a basic mystery structure, and perhaps flag places where writers commonly trip up?
 
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Good morning, Gail! I got my start as a comedy writer (standup and had a newspaper column), and I actually won my first award (1989 - Canadian Living Magazine) for a romance story! I think that was the last pure romance I ever wrote ;)
I love mystery and suspense. I was an Agatha Christie junky from the age of 11. So when I started to write more serious fiction (okay, you can laugh - like I EVER write serious fiction) I started to write what I know best: the mystery or suspense. Write what you read. (a version of 'Write what you know.') Also, I am a plot junky. Lots more on that later.
I see from your site
Maia, I teach Alice Monro in my Crafting a Novel course at Sheridan College. I particularly use her The Progress of Love to illustrate how the literary story still keeps to the basic requirements of fiction: A protagonist with a problem or goal, that is resolved at the end. The protagonist is searching for the meaning of love. Monro knocked it out of the park, with that ending, that says so much.
I kept thinking of that story and ending for months after. Made me think that perhaps if I did something that terrible, my own daughter could divorce me. Those kinds of things are like true horror.
I see you teach novel plotting. Do you always plot your entire novel first and tweak as you go along? Do they usually change by the end or do you write toward a specific ending?
 
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They mystery has always been popular, but in recent years literary masters like Alice Munro have jumped into the genre. Melodie (and everyone), any thoughts on this jump in interest from both readers and writers? Obviously today’s literary mystery isn’t what your Granny used to read, as this blog points out.
Ah! I think the crime genre gives us so much, as writers.
1. First, it uses structure. To wuote Lindwood Barclay, "no other storytelling relies on strong plotting in the way crime fiction does. Everything is linked. Each development in the story leads to the another." And my addition: It's clever writing. You are challenging the reader to beat your protagonist to the solution at the end. Particularly with mystery fiction, your readers are a clever bunch. They WANT you to challenge them. The best review I ever got for A PURSE TO DIE FOR is, "You'll be sure you know the killer. Twice. But you'll be wrong."

back in a minute with 2. - need coffee!
 
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Why I love yah! So many of the writers I work with are literary writers and we all struggle to find our own unique structures.
The mystery structure is one I often send my writers to, even if their project isn’t really a mystery, as the structure gives a nice template from which to draw inspiration for their own. Melodie, can you outline a basic mystery structure, and perhaps flag places where writers commonly trip up?
Okay, and now I'm distracted. DANGit. I'll go back to 2. later. Now, on to my fave topic:
Structure.
No, I'm not a panzter. I do work to a structure. Most important - I NEVER START WRITING UNTIL I KNOW MY ENDING. Never. Not even with a short story. In a crime/mystery/suspense book, everything points to the ending. I may have a plot percolating in my head for a year, before I finally see it in technicolour. Then I sit down to write.

Structure: Here's what I teach:
Many authors (including me) use the three act and finale structure. Here we go:

Structuring your Novel: Three Acts and a Finale with Melodie Campbell

Many novels follow the three acts and a finale structure. (A Purse to Die For is a good example of a book written with this structure.)


Your novel is divided into 4 parts, approximately (but not always) 25% each.

_X________________ X___________________X___________________X________________

Inciting moment Crisis 1 Crisis 2 Crisis 3


Inciting moment: The book starts with the moment at which something causes change.

People don’t like change. Something has to happen to force them out of their usual routines. That’s the inciting moment. (In Rowena Through the Wall, a medieval warrior walks through Rowena’s classroom wall into the 21st century. This is the inciting moment. She can’t ignore it.)

In A Purse to Die For, the old grandmother dies. All the family members are drawn together at the huge family home for a funeral and the reading of the will. (Inciting moment.)

Crisis 1 is usually caused by an external source (meaning not something the protagonist did.) In A Purse to Die For, a murdered body is discovered on the lawn of the family home.

In the best novels, Crisis 2 and 3 are usually disasters caused by something the protagonist (or another character) did. It could be something they tried to do to fix the first crisis, but that makes things worse and worse.

In A Purse to Die For, Crisis 2, murder 2 occurs. One of the cousins is murdered, directly as a result of something he does.

In A Purse to Die For, Crisis 3, Gina is abandoned in the forest during a snow storm. Her own gullibility and recklessness led to this. This is the black moment, where all seems to be lost.

In A Purse to Die For, Finale, Gina reasons out the identity of the murderer while trying to keep moving to keep from freezing to death. Will she be rescued before she dies or is murdered?

>>>As the novel progresses the tension increases as the stakes for your protagonist become higher.<<<
 

Gail Anderson-Dargatz

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Most important - I NEVER START WRITING UNTIL I KNOW MY ENDING.
I love this Melodie. For literary writers the process is so often (most often) very different. We nicely call it an act of discovery. So often it feels like we're trying to find our way out of a burning house. :)

Again, why studying the mystery structure can be so very useful, even when not writing a mystery. The structure can help us find focus.

I find myself increasingly turning to the mystery structure in my projects, from literary to YA (or "new adult") to the literary novel.
 
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Ah! I think the crime genre gives us so much, as writers.
1. First, it uses structure. To wuote Lindwood Barclay, "no other storytelling relies on strong plotting in the way crime fiction does. Everything is linked. Each development in the story leads to the another." And my addition: It's clever writing. You are challenging the reader to beat your protagonist to the solution at the end. Particularly with mystery fiction, your readers are a clever bunch. They WANT you to challenge them. The best review I ever got for A PURSE TO DIE FOR is, "You'll be sure you know the killer. Twice. But you'll be wrong."

back in a minute with 2. - need coffee!
Okay, adding to this one!

2. The thing that fascinates us crime writers: We are interested in JUSTICE, not necessarily the law. In real life, often the truly evil deeds and bad people go unpunished. In our fiction, we want to right that. Now the interesting thing is: in my Goddaughter series, I write from the point of view of reluctant mob goddaughter. She is kind of operating outside the law, even though reluctantly. My big challenge is to make you root for her. This is a series I couldn't have written as a beginning writer. But now, 25 years (and 50 fiction publications later) I am hoping to move from black and white, to grey, and give the reader a laugh doing it.
 
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